I talked with these latter also. As to the ones who had been cast down, they said that they related to nasal mucus and that they were dull and stupid, and also without conscience. So they were entirely lacking in more inward perception. The woman I saw (as mentioned above) was a sign of these infiltrations. I was also allowed to talk with them, and they were amazed that anyone had a conscience. They were absolutely ignorant of what conscience is. And when I told them that it is a more inward awareness of what is good and true, and that behavior contrary to it brings an anxiety, they did not understand. This is the nature of people who correspond to the mucus that clogs up the nose, and is therefore expelled.[…]There are also children, but children of several years old, and that they do not like being there when the infiltrators—the muci—approach.